Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast

Beyond the Bad News: Evidence for Climate Optimism

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Sep 11, 2025
Ani Dasgupta, President & CEO of the World Resources Institute and author of 'The New Global Possible', joins the hosts to discuss the pressing climate crisis. He emphasizes that optimism is crucial for driving meaningful change, despite daunting challenges and stalled treaties. Dasgupta shares inspiring examples of global progress, such as electric buses in Kentucky and resilience strategies in Bangladesh. He underscores the importance of mobilizing collective will and innovative solutions to navigate obstacles and achieve a sustainable future.
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ANECDOTE

Turtle On The Beach

  • Tom and Christiana recount chasing a turtle on the beach that later died, its flippers entangled in plastic.
  • The moment became a visceral illustration of plastic pollution's emotional and moral impact.
INSIGHT

Evidence-Based Optimism

  • Ani Dasgupta argues optimism should be evidence-based, not naive, because technological progress and orchestration create real possibilities.
  • He stresses that technology alone isn't enough; we must build ecosystems to turn tech into outcomes.
ADVICE

Orchestrate Around People's Immediate Benefits

  • Orchestrate change by aligning stakeholders so solutions deliver immediate benefits people care about.
  • Design transitions that improve lives now to create political space for bigger climate investments.
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