What if the “long game” of leadership isn’t about knowing the perfect playbook or chasing the next quick fix, but about the discipline to choose, practice, and recommit, week after week, for years on end? What if the most profound growth you’ll ever experience as a founder or leader is not a moment of sudden insight, but the slow compounding of self-awareness, responsibility, and everyday choices over decades?

This episode of What’s the Big Idea features Rand Stagen, seasoned entrepreneur, founding member and former board chair of the Conscious Leadership community, and for more than twenty-five years, the driving force behind the Stagen Leadership Academy.

Widely known for his insistence that culture and leadership can’t be separated, and for helping organizations play the “infinite game,” Rand brings decades of experience in guiding high-performing teams, family businesses, and visionary founders beyond short-term tactics to something deeper, stickier, and far more meaningful.

Andrew sets the stage for an organic, candid conversation that cuts to the core of what makes responsible leadership both liberating and daunting. The two dive into Rand’s own journey, from a clueless 23-year-old publisher thrown into the fire, to a leader deeply shaped by years of coaching and reflection, and unpack the difference between traditional training (short, episodic, skill-based) and the kind of long-term development that actually transforms capacity, character, and results.

Inside this episode, Rand lays out foundational frameworks and practices, delivered with humility, hard-won stories, and a deep respect for paradox. He challenges Fortune 50 CEOs (and every ambitious founder) to grapple with the tension between short-term fires and the decades-long arc of impact, revealing why the real work isn’t about saying “yes” to every shiny opportunity but about developing the discernment to say “yes” to your deepest priorities, over and over.

You’ll walk away with practical insights, including:

The Rubber Band Principle - Why conscious leaders must hold the polarity of urgent, short-term needs and long-term vision, not either/or, but both/and. Learn to discern what’s a “problem to solve” vs. a “tension to manage.”
Responsibility as the Heart of Leadership - Discover why Rand defines leadership in a single word, responsibility, and how adopting unconditional responsibility radically changes your culture and your results (hint: “Leaders get the organization they deserve.”)
The Power of Prioritization Frameworks - Hear Rand’s battle-tested tools for evaluating tradeoffs, aligning your team, and holding yourself publicly accountable to the big rocks that matter, especially when your entrepreneurial instincts want to chase every new idea.
From Self-Awareness to Culture - Explore how genuine self-awareness is the “upstream” driver of culture, and why feedback, somatic practices, and even triggering relationships can become your greatest teachers, if you choose to see them that way.
Discernment over Judgment - Rand offers memorable distinctions (judgment is fear-based, discernment is love-based) for navigating when to be authentic, transparent, and vulnerable, and when to hold back, with wisdom and intention.

Why does this conversation matter right now? Because in a noisy, high-velocity world, the leaders who thrive aren’t the ones with the fastest answers, but with the deepest roots, the ones who can steward themselves and their teams through both turbulence and triumph, with clarity, humility, and rigor. For founders, CEOs, or anyone aspiring to lead with more relational integrity and long-term impact, this episode is a compass for building not just better organizations, but better humans.

Settle in for a wise, grounded, and refreshingly candid conversation. Let Rand and Andrew remind you: transformation isn’t a sprint; it’s a compounding journey of daily responsibility. Listen in, and remember, what you practice today becomes who you (and your company) will be in ten, twenty, even fifty years.

Episode 289: I'll See You In The Booth