When a random weight-lifting accident left cardiologist Dr. Haider Warraich in chronic pain, he went from being a physician to being a patient in one moment. His experience of chronic pain gives him a hard won insight as he reexamines how we understand and treat pain.

In this conversation, Kate and Haider discuss:

the difference between pain and suffering
why pain might be subjective, yet should be taken just as seriously (and perhaps invites doctors to not just treat blood work or an x-ray, but the patient in front of them)
why we should erase the arbitrary demarkations between mind and body when it comes to understanding and treating chronic pain
the value of accepting the reality of pain as a fundamental truth of being human (and why that doesn’t mean “it’s all in your head”)

If you are someone (or loves someone) who suffers from chronic pain, this episode is for you. Haider talks with such gentleness about when your pain isn’t believed and how doctors can do a better job at treating their patients in pain.

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