The Joe Rogan Experience #2076 - Aza Raskin & Tristan Harris
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Dec 19, 2023 
Aza Raskin, co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology, and Tristan Harris, its other co-founder and a tech ethicist, tackle the ethical implications of AI and technology. They discuss the fascinating breakthroughs in decoding whale and dolphin communication through AI while critiquing the addictive nature of tech-driven algorithms. The conversation also highlights the urgent need for regulations around AI's rapid advancement and its impacts on society, democracy, and children, stressing the importance of responsible governance.
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Narrow Optimization
- Aza Raskin and Tristan Harris argue that societal problems stem from narrow optimization.
- Maximizing for narrow goals like GDP or engagement leads to disconnection and unintended consequences.
Limited Impact of "The Social Dilemma"
- Despite reaching a vast audience, "The Social Dilemma" didn't significantly shift social media companies.
- Their entrenchment in society, politics, and the economy made change difficult.
Inventing Infinite Scroll
- Aza Raskin reflects on inventing infinite scroll, initially for blog posts and search results.
- He was unaware of its potential misuse in social media's attention economy.