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The Chief Inspector of Prisons for England and Wales on how he went from being a teacher at a school for kids with beahvioural problems, to being the leading voice on prison conditions.
He tells stories of cheap suits, perspex windows, being the subject of offensive graffiti, and explains how he retains optimism.
Producers: Lauren Tavriger and Daniel Kraemer
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