Bea and Abby speak with Jim Downs about the roots of epidemiology as part of the colonial and imperial project, and his book Maladies of Empire: How Colonialism, Slavery, and War Transformed Medicine. Jim Downs is the Gilder Lehrman-National Endowment for the Humanities Professor of Civil War Era Studies and History. You can find Jim's book here: https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674971721 As always, support Death Panel at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Pre-orders are now live for Bea and Artie's book! Pre-order HEALTH COMMUNISM here: bit.ly/3Af2YaJ Death Panel merch here (patrons get a discount code): www.deathpanel.net/merch join our Discord here: discord.com/invite/3KjKbB2