Finding A Better Story With PAUL VANDER KLAY | EMP Podcast 127
Dec 21, 2023
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Paul Vander Klay, a returning guest, shares his thoughts on the ARC conference in London. Topics covered include critiques and takeaways from the conference, leaning into story, roughhousing and aspirational masculinity, capacity of ages, and the importance of long-term relationships. The podcast delves into strategic thinking, the power of storytelling in education, and exploring liberationism in relationships. Monogamy, Christianity, and love as the foundation for building coalitions are also discussed.
The ARC conference evolved from initial skepticism to appreciation as the value of conversations and speeches unfolded.
Balancing progressivism and traditional wisdom is crucial for constant improvement and dialogue.
Integrating practices, such as rough and tumble play, can cultivate qualities like commitment and monogamy in relationships.
Deep dives
The Evolution of Expectations
The speaker discusses how their expectations for a conference evolved as they realized the high caliber of attendees and speakers present, and how the event grew on them as they discovered its value through conversations and speeches.
The Coherence of the Better Story
The podcast explores the tension between traditionalism and progressivism. It discusses the need to update traditional wisdom while maintaining the wisdom passed down through generations. The importance of dialogue and constant improvement is emphasized.
The Role of Practices in Society
The importance of practices in society, such as rough and tumble play for father-child relationships, is highlighted. The podcast also raises the question of how to cultivate qualities like monogamy and commitment in relationships through practices.
The Dynamic Between Progressivism and Conservatism
The dynamic between progressivism and conservatism is explored, highlighting the importance of balancing forward-looking progress with the wisdom of the past. The podcast also delves into the limitations of theorizing the future and the importance of learning through practice.
The tension between traditional wisdom and the need for updating
The podcast discusses the tension between traditional wisdom and the need for updating. It emphasizes that while traditional wisdom represents the bones of Western civilization, there is a danger in adopting the past perspective in total. The speaker argues that there should be an integrated vision that recognizes both the value of the past and the need for progress.
The importance of an integrated approach to human relationships and societal progress
The podcast explores the importance of an integrated approach to human relationships and societal progress. It highlights the trade-offs involved in various societal issues, such as gender roles and sex relations. While recognizing the benefits of women's liberation and participation in the economic sphere, the speaker also acknowledges the need to consider the interests of children and the complexities of balancing multiple goods. The podcast suggests that an integrated perspective is required to address these complexities and move beyond the polarizing conflicts of the past.
Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined once again by Paul Vander Klay
Recently Paul and I both were able to attend the ARC conference in London, and in today’s discussion we’ll be sharing our thoughts and opinions on what we experienced during the event. We’ll cover what went well, where they missed the mark, and how this type of event could be framed differently to actually achieve the goals it set out to achieve.
I really enjoyed having Paul on the show again, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Critiques & Big Takeaways from ARC
24:23 - Leaning Into Story
34:35 - Roughhousing and Aspirational Masculinity
56:33 - Past, Present & Future / Degrees of Freedom
01:20:08 - The Capacity of Ages / Gardeners of Eden
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PAUL VANDER KLAY
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