Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Chad Doellinger. Chad is the Senior Vice President; Deputy General Counsel, and Chief Operations Officer for CBRE's global legal department.

Chad balances his day job with a teaching position at Chicago Law School, alongside life with four children and four dogs. He tells Sally all about his career history and his route to becoming Deputy General Counsel.

Sally and Chad share their views on Diversity, Equality and Inclusion. They come to the conclusion that it’s no good being at the table, if you don’t feel welcome there.

Hear Chad’s top tips for those looking to make a career in the field of law, but also for those who’ve been practicing law for some time and are looking to progress or change their career.

This episode is supported by CBRE. Find out more about their work here.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 and Instagram @sjsallypenni