Doc welcomes Twelve Foot Ninja guitarist, Stevic MacKay, to the show and they talk about Twelve Foot Ninja's career, his personal struggle with the pitfalls of trying to break the band internationally, and then the two discuss the Stevic's disagreements with The Punk MBA's Finn McKenty about how rock and metal bands deal with the Spotify pay structure.

This episode features the songs "Shooken To The Core" by Generation Underground, "Beliefs" by The Silencer, and "Invincible" by Twelve Foot Ninja.

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Stevic MacKay (Twelve Foot Ninja)