Even if we are being authentic, we often put on different faces for the roles we have in life. I’d like to think I’m the same guy all the time, but how I interact with my 10 year old daughter is different from how I interact with a podcast guest. I’m still me, but I have different expectations and engage from different orientations based on who I’m in front of. Sometimes we can struggle to switch gears.

This is my part two session, Values, Motives, and Habits with Vienna Pharaon, licensed marriage and family therapist, one of New York City’s most sought after relationship therapists, and now author of her first book, The Origins of You: How Breaking Family Patterns Can Liberate the Way We Live and Love. Vienna has nearly 700k followers tuning in on Instagram to find their authentic selves.

It is in the beginning topic of Spirituality where Vienna discusses her efforts to “de-role” in her life, a concept I’ve not heard defined quite like this before.

You’re also going to hear a special insert in this episode, as at the end of the show, Vienna asked to share something else that greatly altered her spiritual life. The death of her dog and holding him as he took his last breath. She shares how it shifted her relationship with death and made it less scary. I was really honored Vienna was moved to share this.

Honestly her candor and relatability touched me as well. She really engaged in our conversation much more like a patient than a counselor and I felt I was just talking with a friend. I’d say this is why she has such a massive following of people who feel the same.

Other highlights you’ll hear, regarding Relationships, Vienna works to accept limitations and strengths in her relationships. With Health & Wellness she says for her, “Movement is salve.” Mind & Mental Health are her profession and she shares she learned to like alone time because she was a single child, yet also shares she’s an introvert and I press in as to which she gives more credit to regarding wanting alone time…it’s a bit of nature vs nurture discussion.

With Work/Career Vienna said she loves being in meaningful conversations with people, and with Money & Finances she shares how her relationship with money has changed throughout her life and makes a quip that I found really interesting and asked her to explain, when she said, “Wounds and gifts are neighbors.”

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