Policy analyst Dmitri Alperovitch and journalist Josh Rogin discuss America's approach towards China. They debate on cooperation, Taiwan's role, and avoiding militaristic framing. The podcast explores economic ties, strategic decoupling, and the ideological battle between China and the US.
Strategic decoupling and enhanced deterrence are crucial strategies for countering China's threatening behavior.
Maintaining a holistic approach that balances economic engagement with reinforcing democratic values is essential in the US-China ideological contest.
Deep dives
Dimitri Alperovitch and Josh Rogan discuss China's threat and US policy response
Dimitri Alperovitch and Josh Rogan engage in a detailed debate about China's threatening behavior, emphasizing the country's actions such as intellectual property theft, mercantilist trade practices, and military buildup. The central focus shifts to Taiwan's strategic importance to US interests, with implications on economic resiliency, alliances, and national security. The conversation underscores the necessity for strategic decoupling in critical areas while advocating for enhanced deterrence, support for allies, and a comprehensive economic strategy to compete with China.
The complexity of US-China relations and the need for a comprehensive approach
The podcast delves into the intricacies of US-China relations, highlighting the current adversarial state and contrasting viewpoints on engagement, competition, and cooperation. Emphasizing the need for a holistic approach, the discussion addresses the challenges of balancing economic engagement with domestic concerns, including dislocation issues, while stressing the importance of reinforcing democratic values, market systems, and ideological resilience.
Navigating the ideological battle and strategic interests in the US-China relationship
Josh Rogan emphasizes the ideological contest between the US and China, as Xi Jinping aims to reshape the global order and promote an autocratic alternative. The conversation underscores the significance of countering China's goals to reconfigure global norms, purity democratic principles, and uphold the rule of law. Addressing strategic interests, the dialogue advocates for a multifaceted approach focusing on international engagement, proactive economic and trade strategies, and reinforcing core values to strengthen the US position in the face of China's ambitions.
Evaluating US policy responses and the imperative for multilateral cooperation
The discussion assesses the Biden administration's policy stance towards China, reflecting on its selective confrontation and engagement strategies. Insights highlight the necessity for a nuanced approach that aligns domestic economic needs with international challenges, emphasizing the importance of strengthening internal capacity and fostering a coordinated, multilateral response to address China's assertive actions across various global regions. Recognizing the evolving nature of US-China relations, the conversation advocates for continual dialogue, diverse perspectives, and strategic foresight to navigate the complex geopolitical landscape.
America's politicians have become more hawkish on China but is that the only path forward? David Rothkopf debates this issue with Dmitri Alperovitch of the Silverado Policy Accelerator and Josh Rogin of the Washington Post. Is China willing to compete and cooperate? How does Taiwan play into all of this? Can America not tilt completely into a militaristic framing of the competition? Find out during this argumentative conversation.