Epstein Docs Released, Idaho Murders House Destroyed, and Trump's "Immunity" Claim, with Nancy Grace, Dave Aronberg, and Mike Davis | Ep. 695
Jan 4, 2024
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Nancy Grace, a former prosecutor and host of the Crime Stories podcast, shares her journey in law, driven by personal loss. She unpacks the emotional toll of prosecuting high-profile cases, like Casey Anthony, and discusses the contentious demolition of the Idaho murder house. Legal experts Mike Davis and Dave Aronberg dissect Trump's ongoing legal battles, including attempts to remove him from the primary ballot, and the implications of the 14th Amendment regarding insurrection and presidential immunity. They explore the complex intersection of law and politics during a pivotal time.
The Supreme Court's rulings on the disqualification of a presidential candidate based on allegations of insurrection will have significant implications for future elections and the presidency itself.
Trump's appeal emphasizes the need for clarity on the interpretation of the 14th Amendment and highlights the potential impact of these rulings on the preservation of fair elections.
The Supreme Court's decision will shape the future of elections and the presidency, as it sets a precedent for how insurrection allegations are handled and the limits of state authority in determining candidates' eligibility.
Trump's appeal stresses the importance of congressional action in establishing a fair and uniform process for disqualifying candidates based on insurrection allegations and advocating for the passage of a federal criminal statute.
Deep dives
Trump Appeals to SCOTUS to Overturn Ruling
Former President Donald Trump has appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the Colorado ruling that sought to remove him from the primary ballot as an alleged insurrectionist under the 14th Amendment. Trump has also filed an appeal regarding the ruling of the Maine Secretary of State. The Supreme Court is likely to take up these cases, as the precedent set by these rulings could have significant implications for future elections. The outcome of the cases will determine whether a state or an unelected official can disqualify a presidential candidate based on allegations of insurrection, and whether due process is being upheld. The Supreme Court's rulings on these cases will shape future elections and the presidency itself.
Trump's appeal argues against the interpretation that he is an insurrectionist and challenges the ability of states or unelected officials to disqualify a presidential candidate on such ground. The case questions whether due process is being followed and emphasizes that the only way to disqualify a candidate under the 14th Amendment is through a federal criminal conviction for insurrectionary rebellion. The appeal highlights the potential impact of these rulings on the preservation of fair elections and the need for clarity on the interpretation of the 14th Amendment.
Supreme Court Decision to Impact Future Elections
The Supreme Court's decision to take up these cases and rule on the disqualification of a presidential candidate based on allegations of insurrection will have significant implications for future elections. The rulings will determine whether states or unelected officials have the power to remove a candidate from the ballot and whether due process is being upheld. This decision will shape the future of elections and the presidency, as it sets a precedent for how insurrection allegations are handled and the limits of state authority in determining candidates' eligibility.
Importance of Congressional Action on Insurrection Allegations
Trump's appeal highlights the need for congressional action in cases involving insurrection allegations. It argues that 50 different states interpreting the 14th Amendment differently could lead to partisan bias and inconsistent rulings. The appeal stresses that Congress should pass a federal criminal statute for insurrectionary rebellion, ensuring a fair and uniform process for disqualifying candidates. By clarifying the role of Congress and providing clear guidelines, these cases will shape the future of election law and prevent partisan manipulation in determining candidate eligibility based on insurrection allegations.
Presidential Oath and Immunity
The podcast discusses the oath of the presidency and the potential immunity of a sitting president. It highlights that the presidential oath is to 'preserve, protect, and defend' the constitution, but does not explicitly mention 'supporting' it. The podcast explores the argument that the presidency is not explicitly mentioned in the amendment, but rather 'an officer of the United States.' It also delves into the debate surrounding whether a sitting president enjoys immunity from criminal prosecution for their official and personal actions. The potential implications of a Supreme Court decision on this matter are discussed.
Challenges to the January 6th Prosecution
The podcast examines the ongoing prosecution of individuals involved in the January 6th Capitol attack. It focuses on the application of the obstruction charge, specifically under the federal statute 1512. The podcast highlights that this charge has been extensively used in the cases related to the riot and discusses the upcoming Supreme Court case that will decide whether this charge is appropriate in these circumstances. The potential impact of the Supreme Court's ruling on the prosecutions, including the case against former President Donald Trump, is explored.
Timing of Trump's Trials and Prosecutions
The podcast delves into the timing and potential outcome of various trials and prosecutions involving former President Donald Trump. It notes that the March trial related to the Capitol attack is unlikely to proceed as scheduled due to ongoing appeals. The podcast also discusses the possibility of televised coverage for the trial and the likelihood of Trump facing jail time before November 2024. The opinions expressed on these matters vary, with some suggesting a conviction is possible but not an immediate imprisonment.
Megyn Kelly begins the show by revealing exactly what's in the new Jeffrey Epstein documents release, the hundreds of unredacted names of celebrities in the documents, what it says about Bill Clinton, David Copperfield, and more. Then Nancy Grace, host of the Crime Stories podcast, joins to talk about her long history of putting away "bad guys" as a prosecutor, the tragic story of her fiance's murder, Grace's strategies in the courtroom, how she knew the Casey Anthony story was going to become a major national case, the way the case affected cable news ratings, how she handled her work while having young kids,the events in the Idaho murders case, the University of Idaho tearing down the home where the crime occurred and how this might affect the trial, Kohberger’s history of creepy behavior toward women, and more. Then attorneys Mike Davis and Dave Aronberg join to discuss Maine and Colorado attempting to remove Trump’s name from the primary ballot, their predictions for the potential Supreme Court case, what the 14th Amendment really says, the important Trump trial in D.C. related to January 6, the key question of presidential "immunity" that may get decided by the Supreme Court, whether Trump was acting in a presidential capacity or as a candidate on January 6, the potential January 6 convictions get overturned, and more.
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