In this edition of our “conversations” series, Adam is joined by two friends: Ted Kim, lead pastor of the Evanston Vineyard, and platinum-selling songwriter and artist, John Mark McMillan. Emerging from a casual text conversation, this episode dives deep into the nature of creativity. From humanity’s need for discovery and play, to writing songs and exploring new lands, making space for surprise opens us to epiphany and transcendence. Grab your favorite hot beverage and a pair of headphones and take a walk with the guys as they encourage us to just “be” and let our minds breathe and our hearts open.