Interesting Times with Ross Douthat He Believes America Should Be a Theocracy. He Says His Influence Is Growing.
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Oct 9, 2025 
Doug Wilson, an evangelical pastor and self-proclaimed Christian nationalist, discusses his vision for a theocratic America that harkens back to its Puritan roots. He believes his influence is expanding, claiming that secularism has failed. The conversation delves into the implications of a Christian republic, including the treatment of women under patriarchal values and how biblical law would criminalize certain behaviors. Wilson also shares his thoughts on historical injustices like slavery and the role of Calvinism in shaping modern society.
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Christian Nationalism Defined
- Doug Wilson calls Christian nationalism the belief that secularism failed and societies need a transcendent grounding.
- He argues that living God should be that grounding and stopping sins publicly should be a civic aim.
Use Law To Enforce Moral Reforms
- Do pursue legal reforms to remove public practices you view as sinful, Wilson says, like pride parades and abortion access.
- He explicitly endorses using law to enforce repentance on issues he lists.
Soft Establishment Versus Full Theocracy
- Wilson distinguishes a soft Christian establishment from a fuller theocratic aim that recognizes Jesus as Lord in law and culture.
- He says mainstream religious conservatism seeks limited restorations, while his vision pushes toward broader legal alignment with Christian norms.
