Julian Dorey Podcast

#334 - CIA Spy on Executed Mossad Spies, Dad's Murder & Infiltrating #1 Enemy | Andrew Bustamante

Sep 9, 2025
Andrew Bustamante, a former CIA undercover officer and Air Force nuclear operator, talks about the intricate world of espionage and transparency in intelligence. He shares insights from his new book, Shadow Cell, emphasizing how real tradecraft is more about subtle observation than Hollywood flair. Bustamante also reflects on the impact of his father's story on his life choices, the complexities of privacy and state power, and his experiences recruiting for covert operations. Tune in for riveting tales from a life lived on the edge of secrecy.
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Espionage Is Subtle, Not Hollywood

  • Andrew Bustamante recounts how real espionage is subtle, invisible, and like real-world chess rather than James Bond thrills.
  • He describes controlling time and small behaviors on surveillance routes to avoid detection during operations.
INSIGHT

Transparency Clashed With Agency Classification

  • Bustamante explains the book release fought CIA classification via threat of a First Amendment lawsuit.
  • He notes transparency conflicts with agency secrecy and how legal pressure unlocked publication.
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Walk Of Shame After The Farm

  • Bustamante describes failing to be certified as a case officer at 'the farm' despite completing training and high scores.
  • He says subjective panel politics and ruffling people cost him certification even though he finished all tasks.
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