Matthew Hulhouse, British political correspondent, and Shishank Joshi, defense editor, delve into Elon Musk's surprising influence on UK politics. They discuss the tension between traditional politics and social media's disruptive role, highlighting Musk's controversial remarks and their ripple effects. The conversation shifts to Europe's security challenges post-Ukraine conflict, as they analyze NATO commitments and the need for increased defense spending amidst a shifting political landscape. They also remember the literary contributions of Chiung Yao in shaping romantic narratives.