Wake Up with Chris Donnelly S2 Ep1: How to STOP Getting Defensive, Handle Difficult People & Take Back Your Power! Jefferson Fisher
Jul 10, 2025
01:36:05
You don’t need to shout to be heard. You don’t need to win every argument to be respected. And you don’t need to fear difficult conversations, if you know how to lead them.
In this episode, trial lawyer and #1 speaking coach Jefferson Fisher shares the communication frameworks that have made him one of the most trusted voices online for navigating conflict, setting boundaries, and speaking with confidence.
We explore why less is more when you speak, how to stay calm under pressure, and the one mindset shift that instantly makes you more magnetic in any room.
From boardrooms to relationships, Jefferson’s practical tools will help you argue less, say more, and lead without raising your voice.
If you’ve ever struggled with people pleasing, being heard, or standing your ground, this one’s for you.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro: Why Words Matter More Than Ever
1:30 Jefferson’s Backstory
4:50 Jefferson Powerful Online Voice
7:10 “What You Say Is Who You Are”
9:50 How to Spot a Liar
12:55 Nervous Before a Hard Conversation? Try This
15:20 Declutter Your Sentences, STOP Saying Um
17:45 Power of Speed & Tone in Speech
21:00 Why You Might Sound Like You're Lying
24:00 "Don’t Be a Waterfall, Be a Well"
27:00 How to Argue Less and Say More
30:00 How to Spot “Knots” in a Conversation
33:25 How to Lean Into Conflict
36:40 Feel an Argument Coming? Do This First
41:30 People Mirror Your Frequency, Use It Wisely
43:30 How to STOP Reacting to Insults
46:30 The Power of Letting Go
50:00 Stop Forcing Your Opinion, Try This Instead
56:00 The 3-Step Framework for Difficult Conversations
1:01:30 How to Argue Like a Lawyer
1:04:40 How to Say “NO” With Confidence
1:07:00 How to Clearly Set Boundaries
1:11:00 How to STOP People Pleasing
1:14:35 How to Stay Calm When Insulted
1:21:00 How to Apologise Properly
1:22:45 What to Say After a Bad Apology
1:25:30 How to Deal With a Narcissist
1:29:00 How to STOP Getting Defensive
1:30:30 Handling Insults at Work
1:33:00 How to Have Tough Conversations at Work
1:34:00 How Jefferson Leads His Business
Link to Book: https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/book
Follow Chris: https://www.instagram.com/chrisdonnellyofficial/?hl=en
Follow Jefferson: https://www.instagram.com/jefferson_fisher/?hl=en
In this episode, trial lawyer and #1 speaking coach Jefferson Fisher shares the communication frameworks that have made him one of the most trusted voices online for navigating conflict, setting boundaries, and speaking with confidence.
We explore why less is more when you speak, how to stay calm under pressure, and the one mindset shift that instantly makes you more magnetic in any room.
From boardrooms to relationships, Jefferson’s practical tools will help you argue less, say more, and lead without raising your voice.
If you’ve ever struggled with people pleasing, being heard, or standing your ground, this one’s for you.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro: Why Words Matter More Than Ever
1:30 Jefferson’s Backstory
4:50 Jefferson Powerful Online Voice
7:10 “What You Say Is Who You Are”
9:50 How to Spot a Liar
12:55 Nervous Before a Hard Conversation? Try This
15:20 Declutter Your Sentences, STOP Saying Um
17:45 Power of Speed & Tone in Speech
21:00 Why You Might Sound Like You're Lying
24:00 "Don’t Be a Waterfall, Be a Well"
27:00 How to Argue Less and Say More
30:00 How to Spot “Knots” in a Conversation
33:25 How to Lean Into Conflict
36:40 Feel an Argument Coming? Do This First
41:30 People Mirror Your Frequency, Use It Wisely
43:30 How to STOP Reacting to Insults
46:30 The Power of Letting Go
50:00 Stop Forcing Your Opinion, Try This Instead
56:00 The 3-Step Framework for Difficult Conversations
1:01:30 How to Argue Like a Lawyer
1:04:40 How to Say “NO” With Confidence
1:07:00 How to Clearly Set Boundaries
1:11:00 How to STOP People Pleasing
1:14:35 How to Stay Calm When Insulted
1:21:00 How to Apologise Properly
1:22:45 What to Say After a Bad Apology
1:25:30 How to Deal With a Narcissist
1:29:00 How to STOP Getting Defensive
1:30:30 Handling Insults at Work
1:33:00 How to Have Tough Conversations at Work
1:34:00 How Jefferson Leads His Business
Link to Book: https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/book
Follow Chris: https://www.instagram.com/chrisdonnellyofficial/?hl=en
Follow Jefferson: https://www.instagram.com/jefferson_fisher/?hl=en