
The Andrew Klavan Show These People's Perspectives Will Challenge Your Thinking
Oct 30, 2025
Scott Atlas, a physician and COVID advisor, reflects on the early miscalculations of the pandemic response, emphasizing the dangers of lockdowns. Michael Duran reframes the October 7th conflict as an Iran-Israel war, highlighting Israel's need to dismantle Hamas. Historian Andrew Roberts defends Churchill's legacy against revisionist critiques, discussing his strategic decisions during WWII. Writer Megan Basham shares her journey through cancer treatment, the role of faith and community support in her recovery, and cultural shifts within evangelical circles.
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Early COVID Risk Overestimation
- Scott Atlas argues early COVID fatality rates were grossly overestimated because infections were undercounted.
- He says lockdowns and school closures caused known harms while failing to protect high-risk people.
Prior Knowledge Made Lockdowns Unnecessary
- Atlas emphasizes preexisting knowledge about endemic coronaviruses made extreme measures unnecessary.
- He argues policy ignored harms to children, mental health, and economy while not reducing elderly deaths.
Task Force Meetings Lacked Data
- Atlas recounts joining the White House task force and bringing stacks of data to meetings.
- He says other task force leaders rarely presented scientific studies and dismissed his evidence as 'outlier.'












