
 Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast
 Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast Delay, Deny, Derail: Inside the fossil fuel lobby’s playbook at COPs
 Apr 3, 2025 
 Delve into the hidden influence of fossil fuel lobbyists on climate negotiations and their shifting tactics over the decades. Discover how these corporate interests have manipulated discussions and delayed action, especially in settings like the COP meetings. Explore ethical dilemmas faced by individuals within the industry and how misinformation has eroded trust in climate progress. The episode also highlights emerging strategies for accountability, urging a need for transparency and robust governance to combat climate-related challenges. 
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Lobbyist Presence at Kyoto
- In 1997, fossil fuel lobbyists outnumbered progressive business representatives 10 to 1 at COP Kyoto.
- They also targeted the US Senate to preemptively block any unfavorable outcomes, demonstrating their influence.
Commercial Interests vs. Governments
- Commercial interests can overpower governments, evidenced by fossil fuel industry influence.
- Redesigning international systems for greater robustness against such interests is crucial.
Mirroring Perlman's Tactics
- Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson used a "left-hand strategy" similar to Don Perlman's approach before COP Paris.
- Their Groundswell program secretly mobilized thousands to influence negotiations, countering dark arts.



