Crystal met Hugh Hefner when she was 21 and he was 81. They spent 10 years together at the Playboy mansion before he died and she became a widow. In this episode she reflects on their marriage, and how she’s changed since. 

Crystal Hefner’s memoir is called Only Say Good Things: Surviving Playboy and Finding Myself.

Podcast production by Zoe Azulay

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