Sabrina Schoenmaker + Jack Ryan with Ruud Janssen #DESIGNtoCHANGE #IMEX25

At IMEX Frankfurt 2025, the #DESIGNtoCHANGE podcast hosted an illuminating session on May 20th, featuring adaptive adventurers Sabrina Schoenmaker and Jack Ryan. Nestled near the IMEX canyon in Hall 9, podcast host Ruud Janssen created an "audio bubble" amidst the bustling 16,000-attendee event at Frankfurt Messe. Sabrina, a wheelchair user due to multiple sclerosis (Handy Fly NL), and Jack Ryan, visually impaired (Instagram: VI Adventurer), shared powerful insights during their "Travelers on Wildly inclusive" session. Introduced by CED'er and IMEX Curator Tahira Endean, they explored inclusive event planning and personal growth through adversity. The speakers challenged the notion of "lowering the bar" for individuals with disabilities. Instead, they advocated for creative problem-solving and rapid prototyping of solutions. Sabrina poignantly stated, "Assumptions and beliefs of others are the biggest limitations in our lives." This sentiment echoed throughout their discussion on resilience and adaptability. Jack emphasized the concept of "progress over perfection," likening the maintenance of adaptive skills to hunger - a constant need for practice and reinforcement. He advised, "The goal isn't to never panic, but for that time of panic to be as short as possible." The conversation touched on practical tools for inclusive event design, including the Event Canvas and Design for ieee, which also address climate change challenges. Sabrina highlighted the need for extreme leadership in organizing challenging trips, drawing parallels to unpredictable changes in Switzerland's mountainous regions. Interestingly, Sabrina reinterpreted the Dutch proverb "Kobler, stay at your last" (stick to what you're good at) as encouragement to persist in one's strengths despite challenges. This perspective resonated with their approach to overcoming obstacles and redefining possibilities. Looking ahead, the speakers previewed their upcoming sessions "Belonging to All" and "Perspectives on empathy," promising deeper dives into stakeholder perspectives and inclusive practices. They encouraged ongoing dialogue through social media, extending the conversation beyond IMEX. This session not only provided practical advice for event planners but also served as an inspiring example of how personal challenges can transform into valuable industry insights. The Design2Change series, available in various formats including an innovative augmented reality book experience, continues to push boundaries in accessibility and engagement. As IMEX Frankfurt 2025 demonstrated, the future of events lies in embracing diversity, fostering inclusivity, and turning challenges into opportunities for growth and innovation. Speakers Ruud Janssen Managing Partner / Founder Event Design Collective GmbH Jack Ryan Speaker adventurer, runner, cyclist, triathlete, skydiver Speaker Sabrina Schoenmakers Chairman Stichting Handifly NL Find the Key Takeaways, Idea Cloud and Summary of this PODcast trabslated to 70+ languges enabled by SnapSight here: https://www.snapsight.com/live-channel/459cdcdb-ca31-4667-b37e-9fe8bb503acf/ad387ee1-521d-43ca-932c-64921fa6b1a5/attendee?tab=takeaways