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The Memo by Howard Marks

The Insight: Conversations – Credit Picker’s Market with Wayne Dahl, Robert O’Leary, and Mark Jacobs

Oct 5, 2023
Wayne Dahl, Robert O’Leary, and Mark Jacobs discuss topics from Oaktree's Quarterly Letters, including navigating the interest rate environment, attractive sectors for credit investors, misconceptions about the real estate market, and more.
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Quick takeaways

  • Credit investors have been successful in navigating the volatile interest rate environment by focusing on credit selection and low duration or floating-rate coupons.
  • Companies with material amounts of floating-rate debt and secular industry issues are particularly vulnerable in the opportunistic credit market.

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Shifting Yield Curve and Investor Expectations

The podcast discusses the recent shifts in the yield curve and their implications for investor expectations. The speaker highlights the difficulty of accurately forecasting interest rates and inflation. The market has experienced significant fluctuations in interest rate expectations throughout the year, leading to a shift towards the belief that interest rates will remain higher for longer. Despite the volatile interest rate environment, high yield bonds have performed well, outperforming treasury securities. Credit selection and a focus on low duration or floating-rate coupons have been key in positioning credit investors for success. However, there is a potential for increased stress in certain pockets of the credit markets if interest rates continue to stay higher for longer.

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