Joan Shields returns to discuss how her experience as a nurse during the early AIDS epidemic in New York in the 1980's prepared her for Covid, the mistakes that were made amongst policy makers, and what we can learn to help us prepare for future pandemics. 

We walk through the timeline of events, with particular emphasis on Nassim Taleb's Precautionary Principle paper, which was published early on in the Covid pandemic, warning us of what was to come... 

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