We talk about an interactive chart in this episode, the link to it is here: https://www.msci.com/our-solutions/esg-investing/2021-esg-trends-to-watch/climate-reality-bites-paris. But the episode is not about an interactive chart. It is about how two similar oil and gas companies are facing two different revolts ‐ one internal and one external ‐ caused by the same problems: climate change and carbon emissions.