Alex O’Connor, a popular atheist podcaster and moderator of the landmark debate between Jordan Peterson and Richard Dawkins, shares his insights on the intersection of spirituality and politics. They discuss the cultural implications of myths versus facts, using the biblical story of Cain and Abel as a launchpad. O’Connor also dives into how modern atheism interacts with advances in quantum physics and the tensions between personal beliefs and political identities. This captivating dialogue highlights contemporary issues shaping our socio-political landscape.