What dreams might be taking root through this nightmare? How might works of cli-fi and other apocalyptic narratives help us prepare for our future and face our mounting anxieties? In this episode, therapist and cultural anthropologist Zara Zimbardo and narrative strategist and climate activist Patrick Reinsborough pose and explore questions like these and more as they deepen, sharpen, and expand upon their previous conversation titled Apocalypse Now. This episode was recorded on May 25, 2020 at Zara and Patrick’s home in Oakland, CA. While this conversation stands alone, it is a companion piece to their live online conversation recorded on May 13 2020. To hear that conversation, look for the episode titled Apocalypse Now in our feed or find it on our website at https://bit.ly/ApocalypseNowPod.