Host Keith Shaw talks with Ken Mingis from Computerworld and Macworld’s Michael Simon about Apple’s latest battles with the U.K. and Europe over protecting users’ data from governments and side-loading applications on the iPhone. The Apple crew also discusses what we can expect from Apple in 2025, whether the company will be creating a follow-up product to the Vision Pro, and whether the company has moved on from the Steve Jobs legacy on the eve of what would have been his 70th birthday.