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RFK Jr is Going to Kill Many Children - with Dr. Adam Ratner

Feb 12, 2025

Dr. Adam Ratner, head of pediatric infectious diseases at NYU and author of "Booster Shots," shares crucial insights on vaccine efficacy and the staggering impact of misinformation. He discusses the alarming rise of vaccine skepticism, particularly in light of RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccine stance. The conversation dives into the historical successes of vaccines in preventing diseases and the recent public health challenges highlighted by COVID-19. Ratner also emphasizes the need for compelling communication to restore trust in vaccines and safeguard children's health.

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Dr. Adam Ratner

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Quick takeaways

Vaccines have saved millions, yet skepticism is rising due to misinformation and figures like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. influencing public opinion.

The resurgence of diseases like measles pinpoint the dangers of declining vaccination rates and the normalization of anti-vaccine rhetoric.

Public health officials must revamp communication strategies to rebuild trust in vaccines and counteract the pervasive influence of misinformation.

Deep dives

The Triumph of Vaccines

Vaccines are recognized as one of humanity's greatest achievements, credited with saving 154 million lives over the last 50 years, a significant portion of which are infants. Despite this remarkable success, there has been a concerning shift in public perception towards vaccines, with a growing number of Americans expressing skepticism. A pivotal moment in this narrative is the COVID-19 pandemic, which produced a rapid and effective vaccine that showcased the potential of medical science. However, instead of fostering trust, the pandemic fueled misinformation, leading many to question the credibility of vaccines and the scientific community.

Intro

6min

The Legacy and Impact of Vaccines

15min

The Evolution of Inoculation Practices

4min

The Vaccine Debate: Past and Present

22min

The Impact of Storytelling on Vaccine Perception

6min

The Long Shadow of COVID-19 on Public Health and Trust

21min

Public Health Challenges Amid COVID-19

13min

Concerns Over Scientific Integrity and Public Health

2min

Gratitude and Promotions for Upcoming Shows and Support

3min

Vaccines save lives—period. So why have so many people grown skeptical of one of the most scientifically proven medical advancements in human history? And how did vocal anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, and all-around slurry-brained mush man Robert F. Kennedy Jr. end up on track to be nominated as Secretary of Health and Human Services in Donald Trump’s cabinet? This week, Adam sits down with Dr. Adam Ratner, head of pediatric infectious diseases at NYU and author of Booster Shots: The Urgent Lessons of Measles and the Uncertain Future of Children’s Health, to unpack how we got to this alarming point of science denial—and what it means for public health in America and beyond. Find Adam's book at at factuallypod.com/books

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