797: Melissa Clark’s Deep Dive into Salt & Crystal Wilkinson on her Kitchen Ghosts
Feb 14, 2025
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Melissa Clark, The New York Times cooking columnist, takes us on a deep dive into the world of salt. From salt harvesting to the revival of artisanal salts, she shares their uses in cooking. Crystal Wilkinson, an award-winning author, talks about her memoir honoring her maternal ancestors, the kitchen ghosts, and their presence in her life while cooking.
Different types of hand-harvested salts can enhance the flavor of dishes, elevating them from good to extraordinary.
Cooking can evoke a sense of connection to ancestors and heritage, with the presence of kitchen ghosts being felt during the preparation of certain recipes.
Deep dives
The Significance of Cooking with Salt
The podcast episode discusses the importance of salt in cooking and how different types of salts can enhance the flavor of dishes. The host interviews a cooking columnist who explains the process of hand-harvested salts in France, England, and Oregon. The unique properties and textures of these salts are explored, highlighting their ability to elevate the taste of dishes. The podcast emphasizes the role of salt in transforming a dish from good to extraordinary.
The Presence of Kitchen Ghosts
The podcast episode delves into the concept of kitchen ghosts, the ancestors who come to you while cooking. The guest, a writer and poet, shares her personal experiences with her kitchen ghosts, stemming from five generations of her family's history. The connection between cooking and nostalgia is explored as the guest recounts memories of her grandmother and the presence felt when making certain recipes. The episode also mentions stories from listeners who have discovered their own kitchen ghosts, evoking a sense of shared experiences.
The Challenge of Passing Down Recipes
The podcast episode touches upon the challenges of passing down family recipes. The host and guest discuss the difficulty of conveying recipes verbally or through written instructions, often feeling that there is something lost in translation. The guest shares her own struggles when asked for her cornbread recipe and the desire to physically be present in the kitchen to teach others. The importance of preserving family culinary traditions and ensuring their continuation is highlighted.
The Intersection of Food and Identity
The podcast episode explores the connection between food and identity. The guest reflects on her personal journey of discovering her family's culinary history and the impact it has had on her sense of self. The episode delves into the cultural and historical significance of food, highlighting how recipes and cooking traditions can carry stories and memories from generation to generation. It emphasizes the emotional and nostalgic power of food in shaping individual and familial identities.
This week, we talk to two award-winning authors about their latest work. First, The New York Times cooking columnist Melissa Clark talks to us about her deep dive into the world of salt. From exploring salt harvesting in France to the history and revival of artisanal salts, she walks us through different types of salt and their uses in cooking. She sticks around to answer your cooking questions. Melissa Clark's latest book is Dinner in One, and for a taste of her style, check out her recipe for Roasted Cauliflower & Potatoes with Harissa, Yogurt & Toasted Almonds. Then, award-winning author Crystal Wilkinson talks to us about her new memoir, honoring her maternal ancestors, her kitchen ghosts. She talks about feeling them deeply while cooking and realizing their presence in her life. Crystal's memoir is Praisesong for the Kitchen Ghosts: Stories and Recipes from Five Generations of Black Country Cooks, and she leaves us with her recipe for Indian Creek Skillet Cornbread.
Broadcast dates for this episode:
February 9, 2024 (originally aired)
February 14, 2025 (rebroadcast)
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