In the literal business of helping make change, Drs. Gregory Pennington and Rehman Abdulrehman talk about the challenges they face as professionals of colour in this second part of their conversation. Though doing the work of consulting is so very important, and despite any privilege gained through experience and education, Greg and Abdulrehman discuss how at times one can doubt how to respond to racism or ignorance, but how to respond in a way that makes the change “digestible”. In this process lies the concern of how authentic of a response we could have without coming across as the angry person or colour, and putting our own emotions and understandable responses in the backseat.