Fi is still under the weather so joins via zoom, meanwhile, Jane’s away on holiday so Ed Vaizey is sitting in… what could go wrong?

Plus Suzanne Heywood joins them to discuss her memoir ‘Wavewalker: Breaking Free’ which recounts an astonishing childhood involving her parents having the wild idea to retrace Captain Cook’s third voyage for the best part of a decade…

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