In this episode, Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes talk with Todd Pierce, a Type Seven who was introduced to the Enneagram in 2004. He shares from experience what it's like to be stuck in personality; there is a false sense of freedom that comes from avoiding problems by using extreme optimism. The journey is about opening up to what is happening now, engaging with life moment to moment, and not using the process of planning to escape the pain of the present.

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S1 Ep48. Interview: Enneagram Type Seven Personal Growth Journey