Boston Code Viking, Steff Kelsey started as engineer #3 at Notarize. This episode was recorded while he was their VP of Engineering, leading a team of 40. He's now the VPE of Appcues.

Scaling an engineering org is challenging enough on it's own, but what about doing that in a totally new market segment?

That's what Notarize did as it moved the Notary Public process to a video-driven SaaS interaction; nobody even new that was a thing until they did it.

Steff and I talk tooling, automation, ownership, and more with a special dive into building a culture where learning and problem ownership is a managerial right of passage.

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