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Most of my guests on this podcast have had experience and success in either learning Chinese, teaching Chinese or researching Chinese. Occasionally, I have the pleasure of interviewing people with experience of all three, my recent episode with Olle Linge being a perfect example. And today I have the pleasure of interviewing another such guest. Rob Neal from the UK works for the Swire Chinese Language Foundation, an organisation that funds the teaching of Chinese in British state schools. He has over 20 years of experience engaging with the Chinese language and recently completed his PHD at the University of Cambridge. His thesis asked a question that many learners and teachers have wondered about: how important is it for Mandarin learners to get the tones right? And his findings may surprise you.