JRR Tolkien Vs. Grimdark - Meaning And Nihilism In Fantasy With Damien Walter | EMP Podcast 106
Oct 31, 2022
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Damien Walter, a writer and critic renowned for his insights on science fiction, joins to explore the depths of fantasy literature. They discuss the contrasting meanings in Tolkien's mythos versus contemporary nihilism, emphasizing the cultural implications of storytelling. The conversation touches on the psychological influence of heroic identities and the legacy of the 1960s counterculture on modern narratives. They also examine the evolving nature of escapism, myth, and the role of technology in shaping future storytelling.
The podcast discusses the contrasting themes in fantasy literature, highlighting Tolkien's deeper meanings against the rise of grimdark narratives.
The conversation emphasizes the role of science fiction as a contemporary mythology, exploring existential themes relevant to modern human experiences.
The importance of integrating lived experiences into personal narratives is stressed, urging stories to inspire meaningful action in real life.
Deep dives
Personal and Professional Updates
The speaker shares recent developments in their life and work, highlighting a busy schedule that included hosting a significant event and developing a new product called 'Return to Movement.' They mention that this year has been challenging when it comes to recording regular podcast episodes, but express excitement for upcoming content. The speaker notes collaborations with notable figures such as David Fuller and John Verbeke, along with the anticipation of a documentary centered on these discussions. The aim is to resume regular podcasting sessions starting in October, indicating a commitment to continuous engagement with their audience.
Exploring the Mythos of Recovery
In the episode, the concept of 'the mythos of recovery' is introduced, with a focus on the significance of narratives within human lives. The speaker emphasizes the impact of storytelling, particularly how the works of authors like Tolkien have influenced contemporary narratives, yet points out a lack of understanding of Tolkien's deeper ethos. The discussion contrasts modern adaptations of fantasy and their roots, suggesting that while fantasy literature has evolved, it often misses the profound lessons embedded in classic works. The speaker engages with the idea that both personal and cultural recovery narratives are essential in navigating life’s complexities.
Science Fiction as Modern Mythology
A substantial portion of the conversation revolves around the role of science fiction as a contemporary mythology, drawing on the comments of sci-fi critic Damien Walter. The speaker argues that science fiction reflects modern human experiences, including existential themes and moral dilemmas, with references to iconic works like 'Frankenstein' and 'Blade Runner.' They analyze how modern stories grapple with what it means to be human in an age of advanced technology and artificial intelligence. This conversation highlights concerns about the moral implications of technological advancements and the potential consequences of humanity's relentless pursuit of progress.
Grimdark Fantasy and Moral Complexity
The podcast delves into the rise of grimdark fantasy as a response to traditional heroic narratives, stressing a shift toward darker themes in literature. The speaker discusses authors like Joe Abercrombie, noting how their works often portray a nihilistic view of existence, aggravating the meaning crisis within storytelling. Yet, they argue that while grimdark may engage with the darker sides of humanity, it lacks the hopeful resolutions found in classical narratives. This exchange critiques the value of storytelling that prioritizes cynicism over moral growth, urging for a return to narratives that inspire redemption and character transformation.
The Importance of Embodiment in Storytelling
Throughout the dialogue, the speaker stresses the need for embodiment in personal narratives and the impact of engagement with real experiences. They reflect on how stories can prompt individuals to undertake their own journeys, stressing that transformation comes from lived experiences rather than mere consumption of narrative. Citing examples from the fantasy genre, the speaker argues that stories should inspire readers to act and integrate archetypes like Frodo or Aragorn into their lives. This encourages the pursuit of meaningful existence, bridging the gap between fantasy and the realities of moral action in the world.
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Hey YouTube, and welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
This year has been as busy as it’s been exciting.
Between running the Embodied Movement Summit, three seasonal retreats, taking part in an upcoming documentary about John Vervaeke, and building a brand new online course and members area, it has left little room to focus on the podcast.
The show will be getting back to a regular schedule soon, but today I wanted to just drop in, say hi and share an awesome conversation I had with writer, critic, and podcast host Damien Walter!
I had a wonderful time talking with Damien about our views on meaning, nihilism, fiction and storytelling, and I hope to have him on the show again in the future.
If you enjoy the conversation, be sure to leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t yet.
Your support means the world to us! Thanks a lot and enjoy the show!
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Learn More about Damien Walter
Website: https://damiengwalter.com/
Podcast: https://damiengwalter.com/podcast/
IG: https://www.instagram.com/damiengwalter/
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