In this podcast extra, MSNBC's Ari Melber is joined by celebrated power historian Robert Greene joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber for a wide-ranging, in depth discussion on power in the year 2025; lessons from movements that built out support after electoral losses and government crackdowns; why Democrats should face their loss without excuses (he argues) while developing strong leadership that resists 'reacting' to Trump all the time, and how Green's acclaimed “48 Laws of Power” apply in 2025 and beyond. The two discuss seminal laws including “isolation is dangerous,” “concentrate your forces,” “appeal to self-interests,” and more
