In this episode of The Real Eisman Playbook, Steve Eisman hosts a panel of financial experts to discuss the characteristics of effective CEOs, the pitfalls of poor leadership, and the lessons learned from both good and bad CEOs in the financial services industry. The conversation covers notable figures like Jamie Dimon and Brian Moynihan, exploring their leadership styles and the impact of their decisions on their companies. The panelists also reflect on CEOs who were once viewed positively but later faced criticism, as well as those who improved over time, emphasizing the importance of accountability, transparency, and adaptability in leadership.

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00:00 Introduction to the Panel and Topic Overview
02:00 Characteristics of Effective CEOs
21:51 The Downside of Poor Leadership
38:31 Lessons from Bad CEOs
54:17 Reflections on CEOs Who Improved Over Time

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Evercore ISI

Glenn Schorr

Company Coverage and Disclosures

Ticker

Company

AAMI

Acadian Asset Management

APO

Apollo Global Management, Inc.

BAC

Bank of America Corporation

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Bank of America Corporation.<br />

Bank of New York Mellon Corp.

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Bank of New York Mellon Corp. 

BLK

BlackRock, Inc.

BlackRock, Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to BlackRock, Inc. in the last 12 months.

Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from BlackRock, Inc. within the next three months.

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Blackrock Inc.

Blackstone, Inc.

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Evercore ISI or an affiliate expects to receive or intends to seek compensation for investment banking services from Blackstone, Inc. within the next three months.

An employee, employee's immediate family member, director or consultant of Evercore ISI or one of its affiliates (but not the covering research analyst or a member of the covering research analyst's household) is an officer, director or advisory board member of Blackstone, Inc..

Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from Blackstone, Inc. for investment banking services in the last 12 months.

Analyst has a financial interest in a private equity fund managed by Blackstone, Inc..

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Blackstone, Inc. 

OWL

Blue Owl Capital, Inc

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Blue Owl Capital, Inc is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to Blue Owl Capital, Inc in the last 12 months.

Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from Blue Owl Capital, Inc for investment banking services in the last 12 months.

Citigroup, Inc.

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Citigroup, Inc. 

BEN

Franklin Resources, Inc.

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Franklin Resources, Inc. 

Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

IVZ

Invesco Ltd.

JPM

JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of JPMorgan Chase & Co. 

KKR

KKR & Co. Inc.

Evercore ISI or an affiliate has acted as a manager or co-manager of a public offering of securities by KKR & Co. Inc. in the last 12 months.

KKR & Co. Inc. is a client of Evercore LLC, and Evercore LLC has provided investment banking services to KKR & Co. Inc. in the last 12 months.

Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation from KKR & Co. Inc. for investment banking services in the last 12 months.

Morgan Stanley

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Morgan Stanley.

NTRS

Northern Trust Corp.

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of Morgan Stanley.

STT

State Street Corp.

Glenn Schorr holds a long position in equity securities of State Street Corp.

TROW

Rowe Price Group, Inc.

Evercore ISI or an affiliate has received compensation for products or services other than investment banking services from T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. in the last 12 months.

Rowe Price Group, Inc. is a client of Evercore ISI or an affiliate and Evercore ISI or an affiliate has provided non-investment banking securities-related services to T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. in the last 12 months.

The Carlyle Group Inc.

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TPG

TPG Inc

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The Falling of the Fire