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This Jungian Life Podcast

Episode 184 - Does Analysis Work? A Conversation with Jonathan Shedler, PhD

Oct 14, 2021
Renowned researcher and clinician, Jonathan Shedler, joins to discuss the effectiveness of psychodynamic psychotherapy. Shedler's influential work shows that psychodynamic therapy leads to ongoing change, even after therapy ends. The podcast also explores the tension between psychoanalysis and cognitive behavioral therapy, challenges in the field of psychotherapy, and analyzes a dream about a lost sweater as a symbol of independence and a complex mother-daughter relationship.
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Quick takeaways

  • Psychodynamic therapy is just as effective, if not more so, than cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and the narrative of CBT's superiority is based on alternative facts.
  • Psychodynamic therapy produces lasting benefits and patients continue to improve even after therapy ends, unlike other therapies that often lead to relapse patterns.

Deep dives

Challenging the Narrative of Evidence-Based Therapy

The podcast episode discusses the tension between cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and psychoanalysis as approaches to therapy. The speaker highlights the dominance of evidence-based therapy and the pressure for therapists to adopt manualized CBT techniques, which prioritize conscious strategies over understanding and addressing the unconscious. The podcast features an interview with Dr. Jonathan Shedler, a psychologist and researcher who champions psychodynamic theory and methods. Dr. Shedler's research challenges the prevailing narrative that CBT is superior to psychodynamic therapy. He argues that psychodynamic therapy is just as effective, if not more so, and that the narrative of CBT's superiority is based on alternative facts. He emphasizes the need for therapy to focus on achieving deeper self-understanding and transforming lives, rather than solely managing symptoms. Dr. Shedler also discusses the importance of long-term therapy, debunking the myth that CBT can yield the same results in just a few sessions. He highlights the benefits of psychodynamic therapy, including its ability to lead to lasting positive changes, continued improvement over time, and a focus on understanding the unconscious and exploring defense mechanisms and transference.

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