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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Matthew Hedger is a former "NOC" Spy for CIA. His program was Top-Secret and completely off-books. By the end of his run, he had successfully infiltrated the Mexican Cartels as one of their chief money launderers. Shawnee Delaney is an Ex-DIA clandestine ops officer, expert on cybersecurity, insider threat program development, surveillance, & investigation. She took part in the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.

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GUEST LINKS

- MATT LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-hedger-692a30324/

- SHAWNEE Website: https://www.vaillancegroup.com

- SHAWNEE LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/spyex/

****TIMESTAMPS****

0:00 - CIA Noc Spy, Matt leaked on Dark Web, USAID

15:50 - "Going Black", Money Laundering for CIA inside Cartels, CIA Disguises

24:35 - Matt & Shawnee on how to play deep cover role 24/7

33:35 - How CIA "uses" young officers

38:21 - CIA-Mossad Joint Operation

43:34 - How Matt initially connected with Mexican Cartels

50:25 - Old School Spy Comms

53:15 - Foreign Intel Data Breaches

57:53 - CIA operations in America, Data Privacy, Corporate Data Security

1:08:15 - CIA & DARPA Tech

1:13:45 - Shawnee breaks down AI Threats

1:30:55 - Matt pulls a fast one story, "Politeness & Familiarity" Theory

1:41:02 - Paranoia in Spying

1:42:15 - Matt infiltrates Cartel

1:49:38 - Types of targets Matt wanted

1:53:05 - How Matt psychology moves targets

1:55:20 - Using Banks to launder money

2:00:29 - Fent Problems

2:04:25 - Steering undercover criminal work into CIA work

2:08:39 - Matt turns a Top-10 Bank C-Suite Exec Story

2:25:31 - Matt becomes cartels' "guy"

2:33:25 - Matt's day-to-day cover while working cartels, Addiction to Danger

2:40:05 - Matt's bar-killing story

2:44:05 - The Cartel torture scene Matt witnessed

2:46:25 - Meetings w/ senior cartel leaders

2:49:30 - The Moral repercussions of Matt's spy work

2:54:25 - CIA & The Murder of Kiki Camarena

2:57:15 - Cartels designated terrorist groups

3:01:32 - The strange capture of Cartel Leader "El Mayo"

3:05:38 - Matt remembers undercover situations where he was terrified

3:08:32 - Matt gives more details on how foreign intel doxxed him on Dark Web

3:12:45 - Matt "left" CIA

3:17:27 - Matt & Shawnee love the comments

CREDITS:

- Host & Producer: Julian Dorey

- Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@UCyLKzv5fKxGmVQg3cMJJzyQ

Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 290 - Matthew Hedger & Shawnee Delaney

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