Quantitative Investing, Inflation and the Macroeconomy
Oct 11, 2023
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Rob Arnott, founder and chairman of Research Affiliates, discusses topics such as inflation, macroeconomics, capital market returns, value vs growth stocks, factor timing, and index investing. The podcast explores criticisms of the Federal Reserve's handling of inflation, provides insights on investment strategies and factors, analyzes the Federal Reserve's role and interest rates, and explores the influence of traditional economic paradigms on investing in the context of Modern Monetary Theory. It also delves into the debate on energy stocks and climate change, and speculates on the likelihood of inflation expectations becoming unanchored.
Inflation is a result of supply and demand dynamics, exacerbated by supply chain disruptions and increased demand due to stimulus measures, and the Federal Reserve's labeling of inflation as transitory when it was already at 4% has been criticized by Rob Arnott.
Historically, value stocks have outperformed growth stocks during periods of higher inflation, making them an attractive investment option, along with emerging markets value and developed ex-US value.
Identifying bubble stocks is based on implausible assumptions about future growth and high valuations, with the speaker arguing that many tech stocks fit this definition, similar to the tech bubble in the early 2000s.
Deep dives
Inflation and Its Causes
In the podcast, Rob Arnott discusses the causes of inflation and criticizes the Federal Reserve's handling of the current situation. He explains that inflation is a result of supply and demand dynamics, and points out that the pandemic has caused supply chain disruptions and increased demand due to stimulus measures. Arnott criticizes the Fed for labeling inflation as transitory when it was already at 4%, and argues that their forecasts and track record in predicting inflation have been poor.
Investment Strategies in an Inflationary Environment
Arnott advises investors to consider value stocks and diversification outside of the US in response to sustained inflation. He highlights that historically, value stocks have outperformed growth stocks in periods of higher inflation. He also suggests looking at opportunities in emerging markets value and developed ex-US value. In bonds, he recommends considering emerging markets local currency debt, as it offers higher yields compared to US junk bonds.
The Bubble in Tech Stocks and Evaluating Factor Performance
Arnott discusses the potential end of the tech bubble and the importance of evaluating factors and strategies based on their valuations. He argues that many factors and strategies go through cycles, and caution is needed when they become expensive. Arnott suggests that factors with cheap valuations, such as value stocks, can be attractive investment options. He also highlights the need for smarter index construction that incorporates valuations and improves the overall performance for index investors.
Identifying Bubbles and Bubble Stocks
The podcast explores the debate surrounding the identification of bubbles in the market. The speaker proposes a definition for a bubble as a situation where implausible assumptions about future growth are necessary to justify current prices based on standard valuation models like discounted cash flow. Using this definition, the speaker argues that many stocks, particularly in the tech sector, have been bubble stocks for quite some time. The discussion highlights a debate between the speaker and Kathy Woods regarding Tesla's future growth projections and the implausibility of such high expectations. Overall, the podcast suggests that there are still bubble stocks in the market and compares the current situation to the deflation of the tech bubble in the early 2000s.
The Potential of Value Investing
The podcast delves into the long-term prospects of value investing and why the speaker remains bullish on this investment strategy. The speaker explains that value investing has faced challenges in the past 15 years, but believes in its structural advantages. One advantage is the migration effect, where high valuation growth stocks fall out of favor and lower valuation value stocks come back into favor, leading to rebalancing and increased earnings and book value. Another advantage is the yield difference, which contributes to value stocks' returns. The speaker acknowledges that value investing goes through cycles but argues that value stocks were extremely cheap in 2020, creating an opportunity for investors. The podcast concludes by emphasizing that the valuation gap between growth and value stocks remains significant, making it an opportune time for value investing.
Jon Hartley interviewed Rob Arnott, founder and chairman of Research Affiliates, at the Economic Club of Miami on December 3, 2022. Topics discussed include the recent rise of inflation, macroeconomics, capital market returns, value versus growth stocks, factor timing, and index investing among many other topics.
