In this podcast I am joined by researcher Walter Rucker who is an authority on seances and physical seances. Also joining me are the hosts of the podcast Strange Recon who like me research the consciousness connection to UFOs. Lastly I am joined by Desta Barnabe who practices numerous types of contact modalities.

In the episode we look at the famous Philip experiment conduced in Toronto Canada in 1972 where 8 researchers created a ghost character and then made him appear. This same experiment has been conducted at least four other times. Connected to this experiment I related a number of statements made by people like John Keel, Dr. Kit Green, and Brandon Fugal who now owns Skinwalker Ranch which talk about the reflective nature of UFOs - what we think seems to affect the phenomenon we encounter. We may in fact be helping or causing the phenomenon to appear.

Like all join broadcasts with the co-hosts of Strange Recon we get into consciousness, psychedelics, and the nature of reality.