Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews 11/20/25 Matthew Hoh on Trump’s Rumored Ukraine Deal and the Legacy of Dick Cheney
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Nov 21, 2025 Matthew Hoh, a former US Marine and State Department official turned antiwar analyst, dives into provocative discussions about a rumored U.S.-Russia plan to end the Ukraine conflict. He examines the implications of territorial concessions and the fraught dynamics of European politics surrounding the war. The conversation then shifts to the legacy of Dick Cheney, unpacking his role in shaping U.S. foreign policy and the moral injuries suffered by veterans. Hoh also assesses Israel's military strategies in Gaza and the broader regional consequences.
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Trump’s Reported Ukraine Deal Gives Russia Major Gains
- The reported 28-point U.S. plan would give Russia much of what it wants, including control over Donbass and de facto U.S. acceptance of Crimea as Russian.
- Matthew Hoh warns this amounts to presenting Ukraine with a fait accompli and risks American abandonment of European consensus.
Europe’s Support Is Identity, Not Just Policy
- European leaders are politically wedded to the Ukraine narrative because it underpins their identity and domestic legitimacy.
- Hoh argues that abandoning the war would strip many leaders of their core political rationale and be politically costly.
War Became Europe’s Political Identity
- The EU's priorities—building armies and winning in Ukraine—reflect a shift toward militarization as political identity.
- Hoh sees this as evidence that the war fuels domestic political narratives more than rational security tradeoffs.
