Helena Clayton is a coach, facilitator, writer and podcaster, whose work will be well known to many people in the organisational development and learning fields. Chris and Helena have known each other for a long time, through a shared interest in love in organisational work. In this episode Helena talks about how her work on love came into being, and Helena shares reflections on how her Love Lab experiments have developed. The episode also take a look at the notion of endings, and hospicing, and the place of love in handling “good enough” endings.