
Find The Outside 1.08: Depth: How to stage the room for healing, momentum, and serious progress
In episode eight, Tim and Tuesday empathize with facilitators and collaborators separated by organizational difference or mandates — and explore how to go deep and draw out the greatest value.
1.08 —— SHOW NOTES
- Recent favourite binge-worthy shows: The Good Place and Occupied.
- When we set up people in a circle, we invariably wind up having it feel like therapy. This can make some of us feel open, and others feel resistant. As facilitators, what can we do to position depth as a path to the outcomes we want?
- Question: Where does this fear of depth come from? What’s the narrative that makes staying out of depth and treating people as sub-human permissable?
- Some people feel compelled to protect the patriarchy / white supremacy—especially those who have wealth, or who generate wealth for other people. —Tuesday
- In change, people often struggle with leadership because they fear the work will cause a loss of relationships. This has a lot to do with the mechanistic worldview that is responsible for setting up our organizations, when we didn’t realize the interconnectedness of things, and when we treat human organizations as machines, striving for efficiency.
- This organizational structure not only fails to acknowledge people’s humanity, but is fundamentally oppressive. It’s not like these organizations set free people’s potential.
- Question: What allows or justifies the perpetuation of systems that are so unkind?
- If you can make non-emotional judgement calls, you’re successful. That’s part of the programming I received from my parents: that you actually can’t lead if you’re empathetically or emotionally engaged with people. — Tim
- Song of the day: Frank Turner’s Be More Kind
- Poem of the day: Self Portrait by David Whyte
It doesn't interest me if there is one God
or many gods.
I want to know if you belong or feel
abandoned.
If you know despair or can see it in others.
I want to know
if you are prepared to live in the world
with its harsh need
to change you. If you can look back
with firm eyes
saying this is where I stand. I want to know
if you know
how to melt into that fierce heat of living
falling toward
the center of your longing. I want to know
if you are willing
to live, day by day, with the consequence of love
and the bitter
unwanted passion of your sure defeat.
I have heard, in that fierce embrace, even
the gods speak of God.
-- David Whyte from Fire in the Earth
©1992 Many Rivers Press
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Duration: 45:45
Produced by: Mark Coffin @ Sound Good Studios
Theme music: Gary Blakemore
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