We are joined by the authors of Two Ways to Live, Phillip Jensen and Tony Payne, to talk through the changes they have made to the iconic gospel outline. 

We talk through the what and why behind the changes.

Plus how do they respond to recent criticisms of the Two Ways to Live outline? 

Phillip Jensen is the former Anglican Dean of Sydney. He now leads Two Ways Ministries.  Tony Payne is chair of Matthias Media.

See the related discussion with Sam Chan on his 'Evangelism in a skeptical world'
For more about the new Two Ways to Live go to Matthias Media's page.

https://www.thepastorsheart.net/podcast/2WTL

The Church Co
http://www.thechurchco.com is an excellent website and app platform built specifically for churches. 

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