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The Stack Overflow Podcast

The open-source ecosystem built to reduce tech debt

Nov 19, 2024
Jonathan Schneider, Co-founder of Moderne and ex-contributor at Netflix, dives deep into the world of automated source code transformations. He discusses the challenges companies face when migrating Java applications and the critical role of Open Rewrite in easing the transition. Schneider emphasizes the importance of team collaboration for successful upgrades and tackles how AI is reshaping developer productivity. He also highlights the need for balance by advocating for breaks as essential for mental rejuvenation in tech.
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Quick takeaways

  • Automated refactoring technologies like OpenRewrite can drastically reduce the manual effort required for complex code migrations.
  • Organizational culture plays a crucial role in the successful adoption of modernization tools, impacting how effectively technical debt is managed.

Deep dives

Automatic Refactoring for Java

Automatic refactoring, especially for Java, is a critical aspect of modern software development. It involves utilizing technologies like Open Rewrite to handle upgrades and code transformations without extensive manual input. Each recipe within Open Rewrite allows developers to automate tasks ranging from minor changes in syntax to significant updates across entire libraries, streamlining the difficult migration process. For example, a migration recipe for updating from Spring Boot 2 to 3 consists of over 2,300 steps, showcasing the immense complexity and manual effort traditionally required for such updates.

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