Australian musician, writer, and actor Nick Cave explores the universal condition of yearning and loss. He discusses his journey through grief, the role of religion as a crutch, the mystery of music and songwriting, and the liturgical quality of his music.
Nick Cave explores the universal conditions of yearning and loss and the importance of engaging with the world during times of grief.
Cave reflects on the power of art and music to heal and create transcendent experiences, emphasizing their potential to improve the world.
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Nick Cave reflects on the universal human conditions of yearning and loss
Nick Cave, an Australian musician, writer, and actor, discusses the universal human conditions of yearning and loss. He shares his childhood experiences with church and his fascination with the figure of Christ. Cave explores the connection between grief and empathy, emphasizing the importance of turning outward and engaging with the world during times of loss. He also delves into the role of religion in navigating grief and the power of music to improve the world and create transcendent experiences. Cave's personal journey of grief and his creative process in writing his albums after the death of his son are also explored.
The mystery of grief and the thinness of the veil between life and death
Nick Cave reflects on the mystery of grief and its connection to spirituality. He describes how grief makes demands on us and how it can lead to a heightened sense of vulnerability and existential questions. Cave shares his belief in the thinness of the veil between life and death, expressing a sense of connection to those who have passed on. He explores the importance of accepting loss and finding ways to navigate the experience of grief while remaining open to the beauty and goodness of the world.
The power of art and improvisation in healing and connection
Cave discusses the power of art and improvisation as a means of healing and deep connection. He explores the transcendent and communal elements of music, emphasizing its potential to improve and rehabilitate the world. Cave also reflects on his own experiences of improvisation and the deep vulnerability and love that arise in the process. He further explores the role of art and music in creating an imagined world where loved ones, such as his late son, can exist. Cave shares his perspective on the interplay between art, mystery, and reality.
Recognizing the universal condition of loss and the search for meaning
Cave reflects on the recognition of loss as a universal condition and its role in shaping human existence. He observes that society often resists the reality of loss, but that the experience of grief reveals the need for something beyond ourselves to make sense of life. Cave explores the search for meaning and the yearning that arises from a sense of incompleteness. He explains how loss can lead to a deeper capacity for love and empathy and discusses the significance of acknowledging the beauty and goodness of life amidst profound suffering.
Here are some experiences to which Nick Cave gives voice and song: the "universal condition" of yearning, and of loss; a "spirituality of rigor"; and the transcendent and moral dimensions of what music is about. This Australian musician, writer, and actor first made a name in the wild world of ’80s post-punk and later with Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. He also underwent public struggles with addiction and rehab.
Since the accidental death of his 15-year-old son Arthur in 2015, and a few years later, the death of his eldest child Jethro, he has entered yet another transfigured era, co-created an exquisite book called Faith, Hope and Carnage, and become a frank and eloquent interlocutor on grief. As a human and a songwriter, Nick Cave is an embodiment of a life examined and evolved. He sat with Krista in the On Being studio in Minneapolis, and the gorgeous conversation that followed is woven in this episode with his gorgeous music.
Nick Cave is the songwriter and lead singer of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. Their albums include Ghosteen, Skeleton Tree, and Push the Sky Away. Nick's recent albums with frequent collaborator Warren Ellis include Seven Psalms and Carnage. His book, which takes the form of an electric conversation with journalist Seán O’Hagan, is Faith, Hope and Carnage. He frequently writes, and answers questions from his fans, on the website The Red Hand Files.