Greg Smith, a blue-collar Ohioan and Trump voter, and Sage Snider, a Nashville musician and Biden voter, became friends through Braver Angels. Greg is deeply worried for America after President Biden’s inauguration; Sage is hopeful. In this candid and heartfelt conversation, they join Braver Angels cofounder David Lapp to discuss their thoughts on unity and what it will take for reds and blues to save the Union. (Be sure to listen all the way to the end to find out how they really feel about each other!)

About the guests: Greg is a former police chief and the founding co-chair of the first-ever Braver Angels Alliance. Sage is a fiddler (check out her music here) and the founding director of cultural engagement for Braver Angels.  Twitter: @sagesnider, @braverangels