LUKE BURGIS: How humans “want”: Mimetic desire explained
Aug 15, 2023
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Luke Burgis, ethical entrepreneur and mimetic desire expert, discusses how humans mimic others' desires, the role of scapegoating in conflicts, and the importance of pursuing deep desires that reflect our true identity. The podcast explores the concept of mimetic desire, its impact on human behavior, and the connection to social media and collective guilt. It also delves into the historical significance of scapegoating and the responsibility to defend marginalized individuals.
Mimetic desire explains how our desires are imitative and not independent, challenging the belief in our originality.
Scapegoats disrupt the unity of a group and are often individuals who challenge the status quo or speak uncomfortable truths.
Distinguishing between thin desires influenced by trends and thick desires rooted in our core values can lead to lasting fulfillment.
Deep dives
Understanding mimetic desire
Mimetic desire refers to how our desires are primarily imitative, contradicting the belief that we are independent creators of our desires. We imitate others' desires, and without models of desire, we can't even consider wanting certain things. This concept, introduced by René Girard, explains much of human behavior and why conflict arises not from differences but from our mimicking of one another.
The power of mimetic desire in business
Mimetic desire is crucial in advertising, entrepreneurship, and the startup world. It can help generate interest, buzz, and investment towards a product or company. Social media, in particular, operates on mimetic desire. Girard's ideas provide insights into why certain ideas and companies become popular quickly, even without substantial substance or rational explanation.
The role of scapegoats in society
Scapegoats play a significant role in society as they disrupt the illusory order and unity of a group. Scapegoats are often those who challenge the status quo or speak uncomfortable truths. Women, marginalized individuals, and those who go against the grain are frequently targeted. Understanding the scapegoat mechanism and being aware of the dynamics can help us be more mature and mindful in our behavior.
The distinction between 'thin' and 'thick' desires
Thin desires are ephemeral and mimetic, often influenced by social media and transitory trends. On the other hand, thick desires reflect our core values and bring lasting fulfillment. Recognizing our thick desires requires reflecting on the activities and experiences in our lives that have brought enduring joy and satisfaction.
Taking responsibility as models and defenders of truth
In the face of scapegoating and rivalrous behavior, it is important for individuals, especially those in positions of influence, to step up and be models of good behavior and defenders of truth. Recognizing the power of our actions and using our platform to protect scapegoats and elevate ideas that challenge the status quo can promote positive change and understanding in society.
Luke Burgis (ethical entrepreneur, mimetic desire expert) reckons none of us knows what we want. We like to think we are incredibly original creators of our artfully curated lives. But, in fact, we only ever mimic others’ desires. Luke’s thesis draws on the work of philosopher Rene Girard who coined the term “mimetic desire” and who has become an obsession among Silicon Valley bros. I was keen to find out why Girard’s idea has become so hot and asked Luke to join me to put things straight.
Luke is a veteran entrepreneur, the entrepreneur-in-residence at the Catholic University of America in Washington, DC and the author of Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life, named by the Financial Times as one of the most important business books of 2021.
In this chat we cover how the social media pile-on is not so much about difference, why women are so often scapegoats and how Lamborghini cars came about due to a mimetic rivalry with Ferrari (and their bad clutches).