In this episode of The Interconnect, Stanford’s Amy Zegart and Herb Lin join the Council on Foreign Relations’ Adam Segal and Kat Duffy in a discussion about some of the most critical factors that influence the evolution of emerging technologies, the relative advantages of democracies and autocracies in developing frontier tech, and the central importance of talent and public and private investment in driving America's innovation ecosystem.

Guest: Amy Zegart, Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and co-chair of the Stanford Emerging Technology Review

Guest: Dr. Herb Lin, Hank J. Holland Fellow in Cyber Policy and Security at the Hoover Institution and editor in chief of the Stanford Emerging Technology Review

Guest: Adam Segal, Ira A. Lipman chair in emerging technologies and national security and director of the Digital and Cyberspace Policy program at the Council on Foreign Relations

Guest: Kat Duffy, senior fellow for digital and cyberspace policy at the Council on Foreign Relations

Host: Martin Giles, managing editor of the Stanford Emerging Technology Review

Read the 2025 Stanford Emerging Technology Review at https://setr.stanford.edu/

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